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trep
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por trep » Mar 12 Oct, 2004 22:20
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Costing an Arm and a Leg
The victims of a growing mental disorder are obsessed with amputation.
By Carl Elliott
Baz remembers first seeing an amputee when he was a 4-year old boy in Liverpool. By the time he was 7 he had begun to think, "This is the way I should be." It was not until Baz was in his 50s, however, that he actually had his leg amputated. Baz froze his leg in dry ice until it was irreversibly damaged, then persuaded a surgeon to complete the job. When he awoke from the anesthetic and his left leg was gone, he says, "All my torment had disappeared."
Whole, a riveting new documentary by Melody Gilbert that recently premiered at the Los Angeles Film Festival and will soon be shown at festivals in Calgary and London, is about an increasingly visible group of people who call themselves "amputee wannabes." Wannabes desperately wish to have their healthy limbs removed, and some have succeeded in having it done. Kevin, a university lecturer and one of several wannabes featured in the film, had his leg amputated by Robert Smith, a surgeon in Scotland who has amputated the legs of two otherwise healthy people. George Boyer shot his own leg off with a shotgun. Others have used chain saws and homemade guillotines. Why? Nobody really knows, including the wannabes themselves, who often say they have had the desire since they were children. "It's obviously peculiar," admits Kevin. "But knowing it is peculiar and saying it is weird does not do away with the problem."
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Gilbert's sensitive film allows wannabes to speak for themselves. Many are so articulate and likable that no matter how difficult you find it to understand their desire, you will come away from the film with sympathy for their strange predicament. Yet perhaps the most disturbing figures in Whole are the clinicians. Even as the wannabes admit how baffling they find their own desires, the mental health professionals in the film speak with absolute confidence. The film features a social worker and clinical psychologist who have counseled Boyer in Florida, as well as Michael First, an academic psychiatrist at Columbia University, who has organized several meetings of wannabes and clinicians in New York. First says that the purpose of these meetings is to "facilitate treatment" for the condition, by which he says he means surgical treatment. His apparent certainty that nothing short of amputation can help these people is underscored by ominous music and a screen shot that reads, "There are no medications or therapies known to help wannabes."
This claim is not so much false as incomplete. No formal research studies on treatments for wannabes have ever been undertaken. In fact, nobody really knows much about this condition. Only a handful of articles about it have been published, most of them small case studies in obscure medical journals. You might think that clinicians would want to be certain that all options had been exhausted before recommending that patients have their arms or legs amputated, yet the clinicians in the film do not mention alternative treatments. The only person who expresses a hint of uncertainty is Robert Smith (the Scottish surgeon mentioned above); he wonders how the amputations he has performed will be perceived in 20 years.
Dissenting voices of any kind are largely absent from Whole. In her eagerness to document the extraordinary stories her subjects tell (and perhaps to gain their trust), Gilbert has produced a film that uncritically accepts those stories at face value. The patients explain what this condition is and how it should be treated, and the clinicians obediently nod their agreement. The only skeptical voice in the film comes from Jenny, the wife of an American wannabe living in France. When Jenny decides she cannot stay married to a man who wants to cut his own leg off, her husband accuses her of being narrow-minded.
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[ From Slate - Carl Elliott is an interesting chap, you may want to check out this interview too, if you are interested about identity and technology.
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sanpesan
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por sanpesan » Mar 12 Oct, 2004 22:55
Ví un pedacito del documental en no se qué cadena de TV y la verdad es que me impactó mucho. Lástima que no hayan subtítulos o no exista versión doblada, me gustaría verlo completo. Qué horripilante puede llegar a ser la mente humana...
Gracias Trep.
Saludos y gracias por compartir.
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Fitzcarraldo
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por Fitzcarraldo » Mar 12 Oct, 2004 23:03
HOLY F*CK!! what the hell is this! THANKS A MILLION! WOW! 8O 8O 8O
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DavidM
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por DavidM » Mié 13 Oct, 2004 01:41
No sé si será este u otro documental sobre el tema: lo han estado pasando en el canal Odisea.
Alucinante, desde luego. Una de esas cosas que jamás en toda tu vida se te puede pasar por la cabeza que existan. No me parece bien la palabra "horripilante". Vale que es una gran putada que tu cerebro te haga eso, pero no hay que dar connotaciones de rechazo, creo.
DavidM
PD: joder, no me acuerdo del término médico. ¿Dismorfia nosequé?
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sanpesan
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por sanpesan » Mié 13 Oct, 2004 01:53
DavidM escribió:lo han estado pasando en el canal Odisea
Gracias, tomo nota, a ver si todavía lo emiten y lo puedo ver.
DavidM escribió:No me parece bien la palabra "horripilante". Vale que es una gran putada que tu cerebro te haga eso, pero no hay que dar connotaciones de rechazo, creo.
bueno, desde luego no es mi intención sugerir rechazo, de todos modos creo que he utilizado la palabra correcta para definir lo que yo siento al conocer este tipo de casos:
horripilar:
(Del latín horripilāre).
1. tr. Hacer que se ericen los cabellos.
2. tr. Causar horror y espanto.
Saludos y gracias por compartir.
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Airgam_Boy
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por Airgam_Boy » Jue 14 Oct, 2004 10:21
A mi mas que horror me produce fascinacion. Morbosa tal vez pero fascinacion, nunca se os ha ocurrido mejorar artificialmente vuestro cuerpo? Convertirlo en algo realmente vuestro, modelarlo a traves de vuestra consciencia? Reconstruiros a vosotros mismos ya sea fisica o intelectualmente? Nunca habeis dicho voy a aprender esto y esto y voy a dejar de jugar el rol x en mis relaciones con los demas y a partir de ahora sere ·asi· que es como yo deberia ser realmente? Las amputaciones son al piercing o los tatuajes lo que una buena peli a cualquier bodrio yanki, "The real thing".
Bajando sin pausas ni leches
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ultraraf
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por ultraraf » Jue 14 Oct, 2004 19:37
No me parece una barbaridad mayor que por ejemplo someterse a cirugia y tratamientos hormonales para cambiar de sexo... si es lo que quieres, es tu cuerpo y tu decision...
Did I ever tell you about the man who taught his ass to talk? His whole abdomen would move up and down you dig farting out the words. It was unlike anything I had ever heard.
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Pajarico
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por Pajarico » Dom 07 May, 2006 19:49
Me acabo de topar con esto en una búsqueda
Buscaré los subtítulos ahora que ha pasado un tiempo.
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MalachihcalaM
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por MalachihcalaM » Mar 09 May, 2006 08:02
looks completely CRAZY! LOL

Thanks, this'll be fun.
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pickpocket
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por pickpocket » Mar 09 May, 2006 16:55
¿Siguen sin aparecer subtítulos para "Whole", no?

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Pajarico
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por Pajarico » Mar 09 May, 2006 21:22
pickpocket escribió:¿Siguen sin aparecer subtítulos para "Whole", no?

Busqué "whole srt" en emugle.com y salen subtitulos para una pleicula muy mala y una serie muy mala

pero nada de la pelicula.