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Jinruigaku nyumon: Erogotoshitachi yori
Los pornógrafos: introducción a la antropología

También conocida como: Erogotoshitachi yori: Jinruigaku nyûmon; Einführung in die Menschenkunde; Introduzione all'antropologia; The Amorists; The Pornographer; The Pornographers: Introduction to Anthropology.
(Shohei Imamura, 1966)

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Historia acerca de Ogawa, un hombre que mantiene una relación con una mujer viuda, todavía joven, que tiene un hijo y una hija adolescentes. Aunque la mujer cree que él se dedica a la venta de instrumentos quirúrgicos, en realidad sus ingresos provienen de la elaboración y venta de material pornográfico, y de negociar encuentros con falsas vírgenes para viejos clientes. Mientras el hijo padece complejo de Edipo y quiere poner a su madre en contra de Ogawa, éste se siente cada vez más atraído hacia su jovencísima hijastra. A su vez, la viuda está convencida de que su difunto marido se ha reencarnado en la forma de una carpa que habita en la pecera de su casa, y que chapotea en el agua cada vez que presencia un hecho que desaprueba. Polémico film de Imamura que causó controversia en su día por el osado y cómico tratamiento de ciertos tabús como el voyeurismo y el incesto. (FILMAFFINITY)
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J. Hoberman escribió:The kind of aesthete who could fashion a religion out of the old National Enquirer, Shohei Imamura has a passion for everything that’s kinky, lowlife, or irrational in Japanese culture. He populates his films with murderers, hillbillies, shamans, and prostitutes; incest and voyeurism are his stock-in-trade. Imamura, who began his career as an assistant director to Yasujiro Ozu, is a return of the (national) repressed. Even his plots are like Rorschach blots—there’s less a narrative line than a narrative seepage, unevenly spreading in all directions.

The Pornographers is vintage Imamura. This lurid black comedy, which the director adapted in 1966 from Akiyuki Nozaka’s prizewinning bestseller (and which he typically subtitled “An Introduction to Anthropology”), is set in seediest Osaka; affably grotesque, it details the personal and professional trials of one Subuyan Ogata, a minor producer/distributor of 8mm porn films. Perhaps because The Pornographers was the first movie Imamura made for his own production company, it feels giddy with sympathy for its harried protagonist, a would-be solid citizen whose assistants call “maestro.” (In America, it should be noted, Imamura’s own films were treated as exotic soft-core porn—a dubbed, recut version of the estimable Pigs and Battleships was originally released as The Dirty Girls and later as The Flesh Is Hot.)

Dodging police harassment and yakuza shakedowns, Ogata comes to believe that he and his bizarrely monastic assistants perform a useful social function, comforting the sick and the loveless, alleviating frustration by furnishing clients what society has denied them. (In much the same spirit, Ogata does a bit of pimping on the side, supplying decrepit business tycoons with the “virgin” schoolgirls of their fantasies.) Still, in embellishing the straightforward sleazescape of Nozaka’s novel, Imamura gives Ogata a domestic setup that’s more juicily perverse than any of his porn loops. The maestro lives with the widowed Haru, matronly proprietor of a barbershop, but secretly covets Keiko, her frumpy teenage daughter. Haru, for her part, dotes incestuously on her grown son and keeps a live carp in her bedroom that she claims is the reincarnation of her dead husband.

Imamura revels in broad performances and unlikely performers. Not forgetting the carp, his actors here are a startling collection of squat, impassive peons, all of whom get at least one chance to run wild through his cramped frames. Locked in a mental hospital, the dying Haru stages a full-fledged freak-out that can only be silenced by the blast of Ventures-style rock rising inexorably on the soundtrack. This highly theatrical crackup aside, The Pornographers’ set pieces are the making of the fuck films—one-take, two-character jobbies that Ogata hastily shoots with eight 8mm cameras, all mounted on a board, grinding away simultaneously. Each of these productions seems a masterpiece of desperate improvisation: Ogata, his assistants, and their imbecilic “talents” trekking to the remotest part of some Osaka park or squeezing into an impromptu garage studio. (“Is she deaf?” the filmmaker asks, when the suspiciously placid ingénue of a schoolgirl rape epic declines to take direction. “Just a little slow,” her partner explains. Not only does the girl turn out to be an idiot, the man she’s being filmed with is her father—he keeps her in line by giving her lollipops to crunch.)

Although Imamura includes an occasional audience reaction to Ogata’s handiwork, the porn loops themselves are never seen—the better to emphasize the film’s quotidian voyeurism. Ogata and Haru’s lovemaking is shot from the carp’s-eye view, while Ogata spends much of the film spying on Keiko. (When he catches her reading one of the stroke books he sells, he gets hilariously flustered. “That’s for stupid adults,” he admonishes the girl, as the police burst in and arrest him for smut peddling.) Peeping is built into nearly every scene. Imamura uses the Cinemascope format to make spatial juxtapositions and jolting sight gags: A shot of Ogata selling his wares to a gaggle of overexcited executives is filmed through a window and framed to show the firm’s mainly female workers on the other side of the wall. Keiko’s graduation is filmed ankle-high, a row of massive teenage calves masking Ogata’s tiny, anxious face.

Still, for all Imamura’s ribald stylizations, The Pornographers is more philosophical than prurient. When not cackling over their creations, Ogata and his assistants spend their time arguing about incest (a divine prerogative in Japanese mythology) or debating the meaning of sex: “No one understands male-female relations. It’s complex, yet it’s vague.” (The latter is an equally valid description for the feel of any Imamura flick.) “I’m fascinated by the pathos of being a man,” Ogata muses, before Haru’s death and Keiko’s rejection have rendered him impotent and bitterly misogynistic. After an orgy fails to restore his powers, he takes his colleague’s advice and builds a mechanical sex doll, “a mannequin for freedom” modeled upon Haru. A coda set five years later has an avid industrialist visiting one of Osaka’s back canals and the boat where Ogata has secluded himself with his creation. “No one is taking my doll to the South Pole, no Martian is touching her!” Ogata screams, turning down a million-yen offer and dumping the guy in the canal.

As anyone who has seen Eijanaika or The Ballad of Narayama knows, Imamura has a genius for stunning metonymic endings. In the weirdly lyrical finale (one not in the novel, whose unfilmable conclusion has Ogata’s lost erection restored when he is fatally struck by a car), the floating laboratory comes unmoored. Alone with his sex doll, Ogata drifts through the harbor and out to sea. (According to the critic Ian Buruma, this scene parodies the dénouement of a seventeenth century classic in which a Japanese Casanova caps a life of debauchery by sailing off for the Island of Women.) Abruptly, Ogata’s “liberation” turns even more reflexive when the image is reduced to the size of flickering 8mm. Is Imamura sardonically suggesting that the preceding two hours of frantic hustling and grubby sex have been his version of Ogata’s porn? Or is The Pornographers the twentieth-century version of the nightlife of the gods?
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Es una copia compatible con reproductores de sobremesa de la edición Criterion.

Como me era imposible seguir la película con los subtítulos existentes (en su momento se abrió un hilo comentando un caso muy similar), los revisé cotejándolos con unos ingleses.

Me decidí por magnetoscopio como traducción de printer en el (desconocido) ámbito de la realización cinematográfica, pues dudo que se refiera a impresora. Aunque viendo las cámaras que gastaban, quién sabe.

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¿Una para cada canal de color?

También hay una muñeca a la que llaman dutch wife y no sé el porqué. No sé si tiene un significado que no sea esposa holandesa (como lo he dejado) o si tal vez hay alguna confusión entre alemanes y holandeses. A favor de que sea alemana, el hecho de que aparezca relacionada con la sociedad industrial y, quizá, Die Puppe, tanto la de Lubitsch como la degenerada de Bellmer:
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A favor de que sea holandesa, pues los subtítulos y quizá el holandés errante:
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P. S.: Me aclaran en Cine-Clásico el significado de dutch wife... Qué cosas, oye. Copio la conversación:
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holmes8003 escribió:muchas gracias!!!! todavía no vi la peli, pero dutch wife en japón es el nombre que reciben las muñecas hechas en general de silicona y que buscan ser una reproducción exacta de las mujeres reales, no se si en la peli tiene ese sentido...
V escribió:Pues llamándose la película Los pornógrafos no creo que desvele nada si digo que sí, que ese es el sentido (obviando lo de «reproducción exacta»). No me parece que esté mal traducido entonces, aunque tal vez fuera más aclaratorio muñeca sexual o algo similar.

Buscando por Internet:
...los Japoneses tomaron el nombre de Dutch Wife (Esposa Holandesa) debido seguramente a cierta práctica popular entre los necesitados comerciantes que pasaban meses alejados de sus esposas en la colonia holandesa de Indonesia. En aquella zona de extrema humedad y calor, se estilaba dormir con un utensilio de mimbre o de bambú que permitía circular mejor el aire durante la noche y mucho mas agradable en esos casos al contacto con la piel que las sabanas y tejidos de tela. Sin embargo con frecuencia los holandeses le hacían algo mas que mimos al invento en cuestión.
Hay incluso una empresa que las alquila. Nótese que la antigua página web de dicha empresa ahora pertenece a un grupo católico.
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Dutch wives originales:
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Recomendada a quienes les guste Kurutta ippêji:
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o Crash:
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P.S.: ¿Alguien la publica en Allzine?
Última edición por V el Vie 06 Ene, 2012 14:35, editado 2 veces en total.

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Mensaje por zeppogrouxo » Dom 16 Ago, 2009 22:53

Muchas gracias V.

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Re: Los pornógrafos (Shohei Imamura, 1966) DVDRip VO(SE)

Mensaje por Jacob » Dom 16 Ago, 2009 23:12

Me la bajo y tal, que al pobre Imamura lo tengo muy abandonado, con la de recuerdos que me trae. (Sip, por eso lo tenía abandonado, por la de recuerdos que me trae... :p).

Gracias, W.

(Es que he bebido...) :wacky:

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Synopsis: Subu makes pornographic films. He sees nothing wrong with it. They are an aid to a repressed society, and he uses the money to support his landlady, Haru, and her family. From time to time, Haru shares her bed with Subu, though she believes her dead husband, reincarnated as a carp, disapproves. Director Shohei Imamura has always delighted in the kinky exploits of lowlifes, and in this 1966 classic, he finds subversive humor in the bizarre dynamics of Haru, her Oedipal son, and her daughter, the true object of her pornographer-boyfriend’s obsession. Imamura’s comic treatment of such taboos as voyeurism and incest sparked controversy when the film was released, but The Pornographers has outlasted its critics, and now seems frankly ahead of its time.

Reviews: Old School Reviews | SIFFBlog | Rotten Tomatoes | IMDb (external reviews)
Every time I watch one of Imamura's pictures, I learn something. And every time I'm enthralled. -- Martin Scorsese
I am interested in the relationship of the lower part of the human body and the lower part of the social structure. I want to make messy, really human, Japanese, unsettling films. -- Shohei Imamura
IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060560/
IMDb Rating: 7.5/10 (951 votes)

Directed by: Shôhei Imamura

Cast:
Shoichi Ozawa .... Yoshimoto 'Sub' Ogata
Sumiko Sakamoto .... Haru Masuda
Masaomi Kondo .... Koichi
Keiko Sagawa .... Keiko
Ganjirô Nakamura .... Elderly Client

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               Title: Erogotoshi-tachi yori: Jinruigaku nyûmon (1966)
                      AKA The Pornographers
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            Language: Japanese
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Mensaje por elguaxo » Vie 06 Ene, 2012 10:50

Confirmo que los subtítulos en español enlazados por V en el primer mensaje sincronizan a la perfección con mi ripeo. :)

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Re: Los pornógrafos (Shohei Imamura, 1966) DVDRip VOSE

Mensaje por marlowe62 » Sab 07 Ene, 2012 00:24

Se me había pasado el Criterion de KG, así que "no voy a tener más remedio" que bajar el nuevo mkv. :wink:

Muchas gracias, elguaxo.

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Mensaje por vituko » Sab 04 May, 2013 17:36

Gracias.