Dogura magura (Toshio Matsumoto, 1988) DVDRip VOSE

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Dogura magura (Toshio Matsumoto, 1988) DVDRip VOSE

Mensaje por Fitzcarraldo » Sab 09 Abr, 2005 02:11

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If someone like me, a fairly seasoned veteran of moviegoing and -reviewing, can’t make head or tail of Dogura Magura, what does that bode for everyone else? I ask this question not because I’m hostile to difficult movies; in fact, I actively seek them out. But Dogura Magura has a narrator that can’t be trusted telling a story that may have no substance in a plot that may never have existed to begin with. It’s a pretentious version of one of those thrillers where every piece of evidence can be read one of two ways, and the identity of the killer can be changed in the very last shot to appease the test marketers.

The movie is an adaptation of a widely-revered surrealist novel from 1935 Japan, repeatedly described as unfilmable, so maybe you need to be a fan of the book to feel any connection with the material. From what I understand, the movie actually follows the book fairly closely, but a movie version of any story needs to stand on its own and not require support from the readers. The director was Toshio Matsumoto, the avant-garde filmmaker who gave us Funeral Procession of Roses, so he was no stranger to outlandish material or non-linear storytelling. I’m not sure it helped.
Dogura Magura (the title means something like “Abracadabra”) opens with a young man (Yôji Matsuda) waking up in an insane asylum. He remembers nothing, not even his name, so when the tall and grave Dr. Wakabayashi (Hideo Murota) enters his cell and hints that he may be a killer, he’s in a near-frenzy of confusion. The good doctor informs the young man that another doctor at the institute, the Tojo-esque Dr. Masaki (Shijaku Katsura) was leading a project to recover the boy’s memory, but died about a month ago and has left everything unfinished. Wakabayashi has now decided to finish the other man’s work, and so shows the boy several artifacts in an attempt to trigger his memory.

He also shows the boy a good deal of Masaki’s own work (visualized as though Masaki himself were lecturing), which is heady stuff indeed. Masaki believed that the brain is not in fact responsible for thought and cognition, but rather that memories are stored in all the cells of the body, and that the brain is simply responsible for coordinating connections between the different cells. Mental illness is, in fact, genetic illness. His proof of this comes in the form of a story about a Chinese prince who became fascinated with making paintings of a woman’s corpse as it progressively decayed. Since they believe the boy is a direct descendant of this man, then maybe he has the same tendencies?
If all of this seems murky, bear in mind this is covered by less than a third of the film’s running time. The vast majority of the film consists of one of the two doctors lecturing the boy, or the boy lecturing himself, or some other bizarre variant of the above. Just when we think we have a handle on what’s going on, the movie injects some left-hand twist that allegedly rewrites everything we saw before—but since the whole thing is from the point of view of the boy anyway, how can any of it be trusted? Is he even really insane? Is any of this actually happening? Who cares?

I have to point out that I have not read the original novel (it’s never been translated into English), so I can’t say whether or not the book is better; this may have been a case where the book simply wasn’t all that great to begin with. But in a book, you can play games with the reader a little more effectively than you can with a movie, partly because movies are far more literal creatures. Sometimes a director can break radically from his material and still make something interesting (as they did with The French Lieutenant’s Woman), but maybe here there was no way to diverge from the book without having it completely fall to pieces.
Movies like this generally only have two things going for them: technical craft and cleverness. There’s no question that the movie is immensely well-made; Matsumoto’s camerawork is excellent and there are a great many creative visualizations of things. At one point during an explanation of the Chinese’s prince’s behavior, the movie switches to a bunraku-style puppet play, which actually seems to work to distinguish that part of the movie from everything else. And people who thought The Usual Suspects was a head-twister will faint when they see how knotty this movie gets.

But that’s about it. There’s no one to empathize with; the characters are all either insane or monstrously inhuman. The story’s essentially arbitrary, and since the movie holds all the cards anyway, there’s no point in trying to figure it out. On some abstract level, it’s neat, but there are no real surprises, and when it’s over, nothing’s changed. It’s like watching someone play chess against himself, swatting your hands away from the board every time you try to join him. What fun is that?

http://www.thegline.com/dvd-of-the-week ... 2-2004.htm
This is a very weird, very nice movie, like the review says it's difficult to follow, but it's really a nice movie, it's hardsubbed in english.

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Video: XviD @ 1582 Kb/s
Audio: Mp3 @ 128kb/s
Lenght: 00:57:08
Resolution: 640x368 (1.74:1) [=40:23]

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Video: XviD @ 1743 kb/s
Audio: Mp3 @ 128kb/s
Lenght: 00:52:13
Resolution: 640x368 (1.74:1) [=40:23]

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Mensaje por el_saturn » Sab 09 Abr, 2005 09:41

Thanks for this one, Fitz

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Mensaje por Faeton » Sab 09 Abr, 2005 10:41

yup! I'm on this too

Thanks!! :-D :plas:

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Mensaje por cacaodao2 » Sab 09 Abr, 2005 14:04

thx :P :P :P

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Mensaje por daseinforlorn » Mié 13 Abr, 2005 17:39

Much thanks! Really enjoyed his other (two) films.

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Mensaje por by_MaRio » Mié 13 Abr, 2005 17:41

thanks, fitz :plas:

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Mensaje por faustroll » Mié 13 Abr, 2005 22:31

Thanks Fitz, you're really wonderful! May be we'll watch short films of Matsumoto some day in the future...

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Mensaje por Airgam_Boy » Vie 15 Abr, 2005 17:36

By the review it makes me think of Suehiro Maruo's work , I'm a total fan of him so I'm dowloading this for sure.

Many thanks Fitz!

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Mensaje por Angelical » Vie 15 Abr, 2005 18:06

Let's try this one.... I click it on pause right now, wi'll report as soon I do resume it :)
Thanks a lot Fitzcarraldo :D


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Dogura Magura (Toshio Matsumoto, 1988)

Mensaje por helge79 » Mar 15 Nov, 2005 00:17

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:arrow: Subtítulos en castellano (los de Allzine revisados)

A very interesting movie from the outstanding Japanese master of experimental cinema Toshio Matsumoto (who gave us the Funeral Parade of Roses)... By the way, the whole DVD can be downloaded here: http://www.asiandvdclub.org/details.php?id=2650
A man is confined to a mental institution after trying to murder his fiancee. Two doctors relate his problem to an Asian philosophy that states that mental defects are transmitted from generation to generation. He learns that one of his distant ancestors murdered his wife as a way of demonstrating a point to his lord about the importance of love over the emptiness of lust and to drive home the point further, created a series of illustrations of the dead woman decaying which in turn trigger the memories of his distant descendent. But is the whole thing merely a game concocted by the two doctors, who may even have driven themselves mad?
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     Ripper ...........: Team ESPiES     Video Codec ......: XviD      
     Release Date .....: 10/25/2005      Video Quality ....: ~764 kbps 
     Theater Date .....: 02/20/1988      Resolution .......: 544x304   
     DVD RLS Date .....: 02/27/2004      Audio Codec ......: MP3 VBR 
     DVD Runtime ......: 110 mins        Audio Bitrate ....: ~124 kbps 
     Aspect Ratio .....: 1.79:1          Framerate ........: 23.976       
     Language .........: Japanese        Subtitles ........: English

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Mensaje por helge79 » Mar 15 Nov, 2005 02:45

August 21, 2005

In other news, Toshio Matsumoto's "lost" English-language documentary film Ginrin (1955), featuring the music of Toru Takemitsu, has been found. Ginrin was Matsumoto's first film, according to his filmography. The film was screened during the National Film Center's Lost and Found 2005 event. A future DVD release is planned. In the meantime, we are thoroughly enjoying the recently released 3xDVD box set Toshio Matsumoto: Experimental Film Works 1961-1987.
Here is a webpage with a few (tiny) screenshots from Matsumoto's short experimental films:

http://www.imageforum.co.jp/matsumoto/

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Mensaje por jordan77 » Mar 15 Nov, 2005 11:51

Thanxxxxxxxxxxx!

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Mensaje por vespertilum » Mié 16 Nov, 2005 00:53

CLICK thanks helge79
Salud2

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Mensaje por trep » Jue 17 Nov, 2005 19:28

Thanks Helge :)
For reference, Fitz had released a 2CDs, hardsubbed version of this one some time ago:
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Mensaje por vtwin0001 » Dom 04 Jun, 2006 07:22

hola angelical... long time no see :P

....y pinchando (clicking).
Moito obrigado Fitz :D

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Mensaje por krillov » Mié 16 Ago, 2006 14:01

Hay subtítulos en castellano en Asia-team o en Allzine gracias a Santasangre.

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Mensaje por -ed » Mié 16 Ago, 2006 15:49

krillov escribió:Hay subtítulos en castellano en Asia-team o en Allzine gracias a Santasangre.
¿Podrías poner el enlace para más comodidad?
Gracias

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Mensaje por krillov » Mié 16 Ago, 2006 18:16

-ed escribió:
krillov escribió:Hay subtítulos en castellano en Asia-team o en Allzine gracias a Santasangre.
¿Podrías poner el enlace para más comodidad?
Gracias
En Allzine: http://www.allzine.org/Foro/download.php?id=2044
En Asia-team: http://www.asia-team.net/foros/showthre ... ght=dogura
En ambas páginas hay que estar registrado, si no lo estás dímelo y los comparto en el Emule. Un saludo.

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Mensaje por -ed » Vie 18 Ago, 2006 17:16

Firmé un contrato de exclusividad con DXC, o fué pereza? a saber.

Sería un placer si lo compartieses o colgases en extratitles.

Muchísimas gracias y saludos.

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Mensaje por krillov » Sab 19 Ago, 2006 14:08

-ed escribió:Firmé un contrato de exclusividad con DXC, o fué pereza? a saber.

Sería un placer si lo compartieses o colgases en extratitles.

Muchísimas gracias y saludos.
Ningún problema, los pongo a compartir en el emule y en cuanto pueda (tengo que registrarme) los subo a extratitles. Saludos