Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip

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Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip

Mensaje por toshiro » Mié 01 Nov, 2017 14:55

Carmen fra i rossi
(Edgar Neville, 1939)

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Frente de Madrid


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SINOPSIS

Un falangista destinado en la Ciudad Universitaria, recibe la orden de recorrer el Madrid republicano para entregar un mensaje a un jefe de la resistencia. Cumplida la orden, aprovecha para visitar a su novia que vive en la calle Serrano bajo la protección del padre de su doncella, un fiel republicano... (FILMAFFINITY)

Comentario

A pesar del lastre ideológico, me parece muy interesante desde el punto de vista técnico y artístico, cosa que no podemos decir de otras películas de su época de la misma temática. Sigo creyendo que las mejores, que yo haya visto, son: Rojo y negro, Sin novedad en el Alcázar, esta, y el santuario no se rinde.

FICHA ARTÍSTICA

Frente de Madrid - In der roten hölle
Año
1939
Duración
77 min.
País
Italia-España
Director
Edgar Neville
Guión
Edgar Neville, Conchita Montes (Novela: Edgar Neville)
Música
Enzio Carabella
Fotografía
Jan Stallich, Francesco Izzarelli (B&W)
Productora
Film Bassoli

Reparto
Fosco Giachetti, Rafael Rivelles (Versión española), Conchita Montes, Juan de Landa, Blanca Silos, Crisanta Blanco, Manuel Miranda, Luis López Estrada, Argimiro Guerra, Carlos Muñoz, Calisto Bertramo, Manolo Morán, Angel Marrero

DATOS TÉCNICOS

Dual español-Alemán. Subtítulos corregidos por carnicerito y ajustados a esta copia por un servidor.

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Formato : Matroska 
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Tamaño de archivo : 1,30 GiB 
Duración : 1 h 17 min 
Tasa de bits general : 2 397 kb/s 
Fecha de codificación : UTC 2017-11-01 10:57:53 
Aplicación de codifición : mkvmerge v7.1.0 ('Good Love') 64bit built on Jul 27 2014 13:06:55 
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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por janca » Mié 01 Nov, 2017 15:17

Muchas gracias toshiro

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por ostrata » Mié 01 Nov, 2017 21:27

Gracias. :)

Saludos.

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por billy8 » Vie 30 Mar, 2018 09:13

Hello,

I am very interested in the Edgar Neville film CARMEN FA I ROSSI (Front de Madrid, In der Roten Hölle) of 1939.
I own the original Hispanic Tobis poster, which you have also shown in your message. I own 8 film stills as well
as 3 behind-the-scenes photos taken of Neville in Cinecitta in Italy during the production of the film.

I see that you have a code for the film:

CODE: SELECT ALL
Formato : Matroska
Formato de la versión : Version 4 / Version 2
Tamaño de archivo : 1,30 GiB
Duración : 1 h 17 min
Tasa de bits general : 2 397 kb/s
Fecha de codificación : UTC 2017-11-01 10:57:53
Aplicación de codifición : mkvmerge v7.1.0 ('Good Love') 64bit built on Jul 27 2014 13:06:55
Librería de codificación : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.1
..........etc.

Does this mean that there is a mp4 version of the film available to download or to purchase?
If you could direct me to a source which has the film available, I would be very grateful.
The German version is fine with me, if the Italian one is not available.

Many thanks!

William

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por billy8 » Vie 30 Mar, 2018 09:13

Hello,

I am very interested in the Edgar Neville film CARMEN FA I ROSSI (Front de Madrid, In der Roten Hölle) of 1939.
I own the original Hispanic Tobis poster, which you have also shown in your message. I own 8 film stills as well
as 3 behind-the-scenes photos taken of Neville in Cinecitta in Italy during the production of the film.

I see that you have a code for the film:

CODE: SELECT ALL
Formato : Matroska
Formato de la versión : Version 4 / Version 2
Tamaño de archivo : 1,30 GiB
Duración : 1 h 17 min
Tasa de bits general : 2 397 kb/s
Fecha de codificación : UTC 2017-11-01 10:57:53
Aplicación de codifición : mkvmerge v7.1.0 ('Good Love') 64bit built on Jul 27 2014 13:06:55
Librería de codificación : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.1
..........etc.

Does this mean that there is a mp4 version of the film available to download or to purchase?
If you could direct me to a source which has the film available, I would be very grateful.
The German version is fine with me, if the Italian one is not available.

Many thanks!

William

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por toshiro » Vie 30 Mar, 2018 14:35

The spanish public television Broadcast this movie months ago with a new spanish dubbing and the old german dubbing also. But for disgrace the italian dubbing is lost.

We work with emule but I send you the file by direct download

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por joramor » Vie 30 Mar, 2018 23:11

muchas gracias y saludos.

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por billy8 » Dom 01 Abr, 2018 01:08

Hello toshiro,

I want to thank you again for the FRENTE DE MADRID 1.3Gb download. It came via WeTransfer perfectly, and I was able to save it and convert it to a DVD for my film library.
I have been looking for this film for some years, and never thought that I would be able to see it. It is terrible that neither the Spanish version nor the Italian version are extant.

William

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por billy8 » Dom 01 Abr, 2018 09:52

Hello,

I am sorry that I do not speak Spanish, but I know that some members of this Topic have expressed regrets about the Spanish version of FRENTE DE MADRID not existing any more, and also about the censorship of Edgar Neville's original "reconciliation" ending after the film's premiere in Madrid. Also a remark about the amount of the film print footage that was cut, as compared to the original release.

Also, there was a comment that the film was a flop in Spain. This may be true, but Hispania Tobis, the film's distributor, in its 1940–1941 catalogue, promoted 37 new feature films on offer to cinemas by stating that they follow the Tobis films released the previous season (i.e. 1939–1940) " among which stands out the two most sensational hits of the year: Front of Madrid and La Campana de Polonia.". (emphasis mine.)

I present below an English translation of review of the German premiere of the film, in Berlin in November 1942. Yes, it took two years for the Third Reich to import the film from Italy and dub it and distribute it via the DIFU, Deutsche-Italienische Film Union. Note that that version was 2280 meters in 1942. Note also the quite positive, sympathetic remarks in the review about the ending scene between Javier/Alfredo and the Red played by Munz.

The November 18, 1942 issue of the German Film–Kurier Tageszeitung newspaper ran the review of the premiere of the film in Germany, at the Astor Cinema in Berlin. Below is the translation of the review in its entirety:


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In the red Hell / Astor cinema

A further Italian film about the Spanish Civil War is told here. In contrast to (the film) Alkazar, a private destiny is placed in the foreground here.

Two people are separated by the outbreak of fighting a few days before their marriage. The man had joined the ranks of the Falangists; the girl stays in Madrid and suffers under the tyranny of the Reds. As Franco lays siege to the City, they see one another for a few more hours. She has in the meanwhile joined the Franco news agency, and helps her beloved complete a difficult mission. As the Falangist secret radio transmitter, for which she works, is discovered, she dies as a sacrifice to the Spanish struggle for freedom. Her lover falls in an attempt to rescue her.

In the context of this gripping human and often thrilling plot, how strong the influence of the Spanish Civil War could be on men who oppose one another as enemies – who for years lived aside one another peacefully through shared memories and experiences that bound them together – is shown.

Portrayed is a Red, who passes over the trenches to ask a soldier of Franco about the fate of his comrades, and how these two dying men from opposing camps reconcile in the No Man’s Land and by contrast, how others are portrayed in the propaganda war – as a war between two different peoples.

The Director Edgar Neville has successfully brought both the human and political together and bound them as one element. The battle scenes are very forcibly shown, and where appropriate, an unerring humor flashes between these dramatic events. The cameramen Stallich and Inzarelli have provided a strong contribution to the believability of the battle scenes. The sets by Fiorini, the music composed by Enzio Carabellia.

The actors revealed many remarkable achievements. Conchita Montes, the tragic female lead, won our hearts through her gracious beauty and the soulfulness of her expressions. Her acting was supported by the compelling warmth of the (dubbed) voice of Viktoria von Ballasko.

Fosco Giachetti, faithfully dubbed by Walther Süßenguth, appealed once again throughout with his masculine composure free of posturing, which at this time has won over many friends in Germany for beloved Italian film actors.

The outstanding German version was provided by the firm Lüdtke–Dr. Bornstein. The dialogue was written by Georg Rotkegel. Director of the German version was Kurt Werther.

(Review by) – Georg Herzberg

Production: Bassolini-Producktion, Roma

Distributor: DIFU

Lentgh: 2280 m.

Rating: Youths over 14 years of age.


William (billy8)

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por billy8 » Dom 01 Abr, 2018 17:01

Sorry, I meant Munez -- Carlos Munez, not Munz!

William

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip Dual SE

Mensaje por Jacob » Dom 01 Abr, 2018 17:28

Thanks for the translation, William. ;)

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip

Mensaje por billy8 » Lun 02 Abr, 2018 16:15

You are most welcome.

Here is a film still from FRENTE DE MADRID showing Javier with his arm around the neck and shoulder of the young Republican soldier as they die together.
As has been said in other messages in this Topic, this "reconciliation" scene was censored in the final version shown on Spanish television. You cannot see
this moment between Rivelles and Munez in the TV footage.

Sincerely,

William

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Mensaje por billy8 » Mar 03 Abr, 2018 15:05

Hello,

Just as the German IN DER ROTEN HÖLLE film still in my previous message showed Rivelles with his arm around Munez in their
"reconciliation" scene that was later censured, here is the same scene in the Italian version of the film, between Giachetti and Munez. Once again you can clearly
see the embrace of the two dying men.

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This image from a Swiss film program in 1941, showing the Italian version of the film in Switzerland, which was not called CARMEN FRA I ROSSI, but rather FRENTE DI MADRID.

William

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip

Mensaje por billy8 » Mar 03 Abr, 2018 15:15

I have found in my Collection a better quality image of Giachetti und Munez in "reconciliation." This was part of an Italian Fotobusta I own.

Sincerely,

William

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Re: Carmen fra i rossi (Edgar Neville, 1939) SATRip

Mensaje por billy8 » Mar 03 Abr, 2018 15:27

Finally, from my Collection, three photographs of Edgar Neville in Rome, at the Cinecitta film studios, filming Front de Madrid/Carmen Fra I Rossi, 1939:

1. Neville in his Director's chair, observing the Madrid street scene between Javier and Carmen.

2. Fosco Giachetti shakes hands with Juan de Landa, with Neville watching.... the man on the right of the photograph I do not recognise.

3. Neville speaking with Conchita Montes on the Front set, with a Republican soldier at the right.


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My Collection of materials on this film can be seen at:

http://www.germanfilms.net/der-roten-ho ... elle-copy/

Sincerely,

William